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  • So you’re saying russians genuinely believe that since 2014 they’ve been “fighting Nazism in Ukraine” and this is not a genocidal imperialist war?

    As I mentioned in my OP, you do know that every russian had uncensored youtube within a single click on their smartphone until the last month or so? Btw, the YT app is available in russian and there is a lot of russian language content.

    This makes no sense!


  • Nothing to do with “winning” and I never framed it as such. For me “winning” is kicking the Russians out of my country, not some internet discussion (like for you).

    Keep on white washing russian crimes and enabling the degeneracy of a strong majority of russian society.

    Just watch that it doesn’t bite you and your family in the ass one day! Your delusion will not be of much use then!


  • It would depend on the geo-political context, currently there are less viable options.

    In a different context, beyond the main mass of hardcore criminal (several million russian) that require strict punishments, you could leverage a legal proof method.

    Every russian signs a legal paper outlining and their overall support for genocidal imperialism, putin, knowingly promoting false russian propaganda and so on.

    Based on the of level severity of their support for genocidal imperialism, they would have to pay financial compensation and engage in global community service work (de-mining in Syria, junior janitor in an infectious disease hospital in rural Africa).

    The legal paper would have a clause stating that if you claim you never supported genocidal imperialism (as certified in the legal paper), but later evidence comes up that you were actually supportive of russian degeneracy, you lose all your assets and will be required to do two decade of global community service (or go to jail). This clause would be valid indefinitely for the life of the person.

    Note, I am not saying the above-mentioned approach is viable right now. I am trying to show that there methods to create incentives for russians to be open about their support for genocidal imperialism.


  • I will need to take a more in-depth look the paper, but reading the introduction and conclusion, I don’t see such a clear critique, it sounds like you mostly made it up.

    You just learned what a list experiment was just a few days ago and were arguing for a comical anecdotal view, so pardon my scepticism regarding your ability to read papers or act in good faith.

    Prefer to talk to Ukraine = continue to occupation of Ukrainian territory, with torture camps and experimentation Ukrainian identity. I.e. genocidal imperialism.

    We’ve seen how the russians acted after 2014, there is no reason trust them to act differently now.

    You’re a delusion child, that is too cowardly to admit their mistakes and take a sober look at reality.




  • That’s not a convincing answer.

    Before our exchange you didn’t know what a list experiment was or what the term preference falsification meant.

    Yet you were aggressively parroting the standard polemic about “innocent russians” and “all polling is wrong because it doesn’t align with my message”.

    And now you’re acting all high and mighty with strawn men and “vastly different takeaways”.

    You claim that the paper shows the mere existence of preference falsification. This is complete bullshit and you know it.

    Preference falsification = A - B

    Where:

    A (~75%) = support for genocidal imperialism via regular polling

    B (~65%) = support for genocidal imperialism via list experiments

    If you don’t believe A or B to be true, then you can’t define whether preference falsification exists.

    This is basic logic and you’ve totally failed it.

    Diplomatic resolution? What’s that?

    Russia continues to occupy 20% of Ukraine and then attacks again when they are ready?

    Fucking awesome diplomatic resolution!

    I am asking you about the hows and whys because you made a claim that we need to support russian “dissidents”.

    Is it not reasonable to ask what and when we’ll see the outcome of this?

    Why would you do something if you have no plan for how and when to achieve a given outcome?

    You’ve thankfully never had to actually deal with russians, that’s what’s driving your petty bullshit and delusions.

    Let’s hope things stay that way, for your own benefit.


  • Can you stop trying to imply that I didn’t read the study? What are you trying to achieve with such petty passive aggressive jabs?

    Of course it’s not a perfect method, but it aligns with other studies (quantitative direct polling and other list experiments, as well as qualitative). It also aligns with long term historical studies around positive attitudes of the russian population towards imperialism (increase in approval of government following invasions, annexations and genocides) over the past ~30 years.

    How am I trying to strawman you? Critiquing your reliance on annecdotal experience (that funnily enough mirror my own - although I don’t claim my anecdotal experience means anything) is a straw man?

    Show evidence for your framing around “let’s not jump to conclusions”!

    What external factors? What external social influences? Be clear and direct in your claims and back them up with something more than “I feel so”!

    Show how these factors are important! Going back to my original post, fully uncensored YouTube has been a click away for every russian with smartphone until recently, is this not the case? Can the same not be said about telegram?

    What am I trying to accomplish with my argument?

    To show reality and not let well meaning, but completely unverified platitudes (that contradict all research and even history) get in the way explaining the nature of russian imperialism.

    You’re not convinced that white washing the genuine support for genocidal imperialism among a strong majority of russians is relevant because you don’t have to deal with the cruelty and degeneracy of the russians.

    Why should we not make russians who support genocidal imperialism (both conceptually and as implemented by their leaders) responsible? Are they children? Of course they should pay for their actions.

    And what if the reality is that a strong majority of russians are not interested in implementing any kind of change in their society?

    Or that the russia as a society has dug itself into such a hole (supporting putin for 25 years and supporting genocidal imperialism for ~35 years) that there is no easy way out other than violence; something the absolute majority of allegedly “opposition minded” russians are not willing or able to engage in.

    By the way, that’s totally understandable; but in that case they shouldn’t talk about magical fantasies of a democratic russia of the future appearing out of no where.

    Let’s say for the sake of argument I agree with your take that genocidal imperialism of russia since it’s founding is not representative of current russian society.

    How and when do you expect any changes to happen?

    How - I am not asking for in-depth details, just a general outline that goes beyond “somehow in the future”.

    When - 5 years? 10 years? 50 years? 100 years?

    Addendum question - while we wait for these changes, what would you like people in Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Chechnya and Belarus to do? Please be specific.


  • And what is their estimate of preference falsification? It’s just ~10%, no?

    What impact does this level of preference falsification have with respect to the % of russians who support the invasion of Ukraine, annexation of its territories and extermination of Ukrainian identity?

    We go from ~75% to ~65% with preference falsification w.r.t. support for the above, is that not the case?

    Do the numbers cited (less preference falsification) in support of the war not fall under the definition of “strong majority”? Is 65% not a strong majority?

    Don’t the authors clearly state that their methodology (even with weights) likely underestimates the true level of support?

    Their numbers (for support of the invasion of Ukraine) align with other polling methods; which is damning for the “innocent Russians just got played a bad hand, they are not really genocidal imperialists” narrative.

    Why did you leave out these numbers? I don’t understand. They clearly reference them. Why would you do this?

    But you would never accept any methodology or research that doesn’t show what you want to see. Be honest! It’s not about the research or the numbers for you.

    So why bring up “accurate figures”?

    White washing the genuine support for genocidal imperialism among a strong majority of russians leads to 100 of thousands of deaths, 10 of thousands people being tortured (UN stated that 95% of Ukrainian POWs were tortured, and that doesn’t include civilians) and millions having their livelihoods ruined.

    And I am just referencing Ukraine. There are many other examples. The russians killed 5% of the civilian population of Chechnya in the 90s. That would be equivalent to killing 7 million russian civilians.