Yeah well my Zeus 15GW Overcompensator desktop rig has 4 million FlappyCLAMS and a hundred ThrustForce WTFs.

Stock 17? It does seem to be better comparative value this year than in previous years.

That was the question, yes, and clearly that was the implication.

My suggestion that the other commenter probably didn’t need to post their purchasing intent on a literal apple enthusiast community was based on the recommendation being nothing to do with Apple, and almost every sentence in it focusing on a political justification. There are countless communities more appropriate for those discussions on Lemmy.

That user had already decided they weren’t buying any Apple product anymore. That’s fine and I wish them well, but it doesn’t answer my question, isn’t related to the Apple event I referenced, was contra to the phrase Apple Enthusiast, and to be honest was tedious.

Sometimes people just want to buy some technology, not be lectured about monopolies, fascism and EU policy. Not every thread on this platform needs to be an exercise in holier-than-thou, guilt-based anti-capitalism.

Yes you did, you said both systems are opaque so I can’t have “facts” for you.

So equally, you don’t have any to back up your claims either. In fact you went so far as to dismiss a comment by another user where you stated that you’re ignoring Apple’s claims because they can’t prove it because their code is closed. So what’s the point?

If the facts someone presents to you can be dismissed by you because you refuse to believe it, then me echoing them won’t make any difference will it?

And yet you can happily claim the opposite and say what I’m saying is untrue, with equally as few facts.

You want me to prove my claim that Apple harvests less data, but you haven’t got any proof of your claim that they collect the same as Google. All while saying that because the system is opaque that it can’t be proved.

This entire conversation is absurd.

😂 by the very nature of your own point regarding their opacity, you can’t defend your claim that what I’ve said is untrue.

You can’t say “we don’t know, so you’re wrong”.

Well, maybe you can, but as I say, you have to be obtuse to do it.

It doesn’t exist because I haven’t mentioned it? 😂

I’m not here to do your research for you.

It’s not untrue, it’s that you believe it’s untrue.

Unless of course you’re able to prove that Apple and Google are currently the same with respect to the data they harvest.

Have I said anything that’s untrue? Or am I just obliged to agree with you? You dismissed Clent’s comment because “Apple’s claims are irrelevant”, so even if they were doing exactly what they say, you wouldn’t accept it. There’s literally no point to this conversation beyond drawing out a disagreement where neither person can categorically be proven correct.

Thought I’d match your vibe

No but it seems like being deliberately obtuse is necessary for your point to have validity.

“The same claims”

As well as the degoogled Android goalpost, I know.

It’s all choice at the end of the day, isn’t it. I choose Apple for a variety of reasons, and they’ve championed privacy regularly in recent years. Whether we choose to believe the claims, well that’s up to the consumer isn’t it. One thing’s for sure, Google definitely don’t make the same claims.

Well yes, in hindsight I should have tailored the post that’s already in an Apple-specific community, asking about upgrades following the previous day’s iPhone launch, and which references Apple in the body of the post, for those people who were unable to infer the question’s intent.

Okay mate 😂

Not once have I questioned the viability of a degoogled android device.

This is literally an apple enthusiast community. I’m not sure what you’re expecting, or are you just here to troll with the last statement?

Fair enough, but the implication of what I’m asking is right there, and the community I’m asking it in should reinforce that.

But I think the example is accurate, because “smartphone” is analogous to “sport” in this context, for which I deliberately chose an obscure alternative.

To change the goalposts yeah? I make a flippant comment about one approach to data harvesting being more exhaustive than another and you eventually say “yeah but not degoogled Android”? Nobody was talking about that. As I say, each to their own, I’m sure degoogled Android is great for the comparatively few that use it, but the initial post I replied to just specified Android. Of the two companies - Google and Apple - I know which one I’m more likely to trust with my data.

It’s my question! And clearly I’m interested in what model of iPhone people are upgrading to, not what obscure device and niche OS are you moving to as a result of global politics.

If I asked “Who should I bet on to win the next FIFA World Cup?” I wouldn’t want an answer similar to “I don’t follow football anymore because FIFA are a corrupt organisation, and I’m looking forward to the World Slackline Yoga Championships.”

Great, doesn’t help me at all, and why mention it in a football thread, in a football forum.

Probably for the best because “You literally asked” has a very specific meaning, which was entirely incorrect here.

Nice edit. Nah, I didn’t ask anything mate

Asked what?