Here’s an idea. How about we abandon ragebait shortform slop/garbage aggregators entirely, and stop rewarding them with excessive device permissions and personal data.
How about we abandon ragebait shortform slop/garbage aggregators entirely
In my day, we listened to AM Talk Radio! 16 hours a day, to and from work! None of this prissy little short form phone slop, no sir. It was three hour long shifts of Rush Limbaugh, Don Imus, Doug “The Greaseman” Tracht, and Sean Hannity. I earned my hate honestly, by fiddling with a little dial on my walkman and getting five commercials about cigars and dick pills every eight minutes. I got to hear bad riff tracks about how Japan was taking over our economy produced on a AKAI S900 that had been dropped down a flight of stairs. I didn’t know these people even had faces until Limbaugh showed up as a talking head for the NFL for a few months.
The very fucking idea that these stupid petulant spoiled woke lib fuck-around find-out kids are getting their news from a five minute long vertical visual display? OOOOOOOOoh it makes me SO MAD! I hate 'dem kids. I hate’m!!!
Yeah, let’s not do any of that shit either.
You know that you could be against both, right?
Those podcasts still exist, too. I think these short form videos are more like amateur magazines, they’re way more fun but flip-side unedited potentially troublesome content
We need brainrot on Lemmy
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What? No, that’s a horrible idea.
Device permissions? That’s not the issue. I think people just lack software knowledge and should learn the difference between proprietary software and Libre software.
If people understood how to check the software license and determine if it’s a free software license, that would cover almost everything they need to do to help us stop having this problem with picking the wrong software.
Literally anything but FOSS, huh?
Out of the frying pan and into a cold frying pan.
FOSS is just too much of a hassle for most people, unfortunately.
It unironically is, and it’s not entirely the fault of the users either. The average person doesn’t know what FOSS means, what instances are, or what a federated service is and many platforms do a poor job of explaining what those things are and why they are superior.
Additionally, people need to understand that FOSS is not a selling point to the average user and that throwing that term around will go in one ear and out the other. As far as they are concerned their apps are already free because they don’t have to pay a transactional monetary value for them and “open source” is beyond meaningless to them and they couldn’t care less.
Plus algorithms suck there.
There’s a FOSS tiktok equivalent?
Loops is the FOSS fediverse equivalent.
Its website says the platform will remain “impartial” to political agendas, won’t shadowban users or content, and will “uphold social responsibility.”
I don’t feel, in this day and age, like you can be politically impartial (i.e. allow fascists to use your platform to spread propaganda) while simultaneously upholding social responsibility (i.e. not allow fascists to use your platform to spread propaganda).
Yeah, I gave it a shot. I opened the app, and immediately scrolled past a “Jews are secretly ruling the world” conspiracy theory post from a user named something like @ItsAlwaysTheJews… Okay, maybe a fluke. Not a great first impression, but let’s see what else the app has to offer. Then a few posts later there was a “Hitler was right about the Jews” post.
So yeah, it has definitely fallen prey to the Nazi Bar problem.
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No, idiot. Not “the Jews.” Stop doing the zionists job for them.
No the fuck they’re not. Fuck out of here with that antisemitic bullshit
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You can be arguably impartial. Youre not banning them for being Nazis you’re banning them for all the stuff Nazis do like the racism. I would also argue you shouldn’t be politically impartial and just ban Nazis because Nazis should not feel welcomed.
Isn’t this almost exactly what Elon said?
If you look into the founder, you’ll quickly realize that he’s very much biased and has a lot of agendas to push, and I have no doubt in mind that this is reflected in his platform.
I tried it for an hour or so and it’s absolutely filled with Nazis. One of them was criticizing Elon Musk and Trump for not being nazi enough. No thanks.
An app made by a Palestinian guy who’s very much politically active participating in a no censorship gimmick? This was always the inevitable end result.
No, it wasn’t. It just needs content moderation. There’s zero reason for a Palestinian guy to platform white supremacists.
The lack of moderation from what I can see is on purpose
Why would anyone use TikTok or any clone like that to begin with? Do they want their brain to rot?
Anything to get that dopamine drip from the Black Rectangle
You say on another dopamine drop website
Oh i know
I’m more blaming the system than the user. The system is designed to be as addicting as possible. Literally a century of addiction research into drugs and gambling, all used to squeeze every drop of engagement from the user
To a point. At least we’re reading and using our brains more on these text-based sites!
See, White Rectangle, you swipe like this: “oh. oh quite. oh dear. oh no. aw. and how.”
But with Black Rectangle, you swipe like: “yo, hol’ da commentz, Imma bounce your pinky up in this!”this comment was brought to you by the nineties.
Back before the alogorithm became what it is today, it was pretty good, I actually saw stuff I was interested in from small creators
Reels only shows ppl with hella followers and views;, but algorithm is a lot better at showing me my interests (on the feed, if you scroll on any reel it shows irrelevant stuff)
Best app yet, but eventually that app is gonna get bought out just like TikTok and eventually it will get censored.
don’t think the Palestinian owner will be keen on selling his social media to those who killed his family
Is this like UpDog?
What’s UpDog?
not much, how 'bout you?
Got 'em
This made me lol
Does UpScrolled have a web or desktop version?
Currently, UpScrolled is available exclusively as a mobile app — downloadable on both the Apple App Store and Google Play Store.
The app is fully supported on smartphones and tablets, giving you a seamless experience across mobile devices.
Web and desktop version are on our roadmap.
And no doubt the web version will pop up a massive blocker requiring you to make an account to even browse.
That’s a no from me, dog.
From Wikipedia: “
UpScrolled was launched in June 2025 by Recursive Methods Pty Ltd.[2][3] It was founded by Issam Hijazi, a Palestinian-Australian app developer who previously worked for IBM and Oracle.[3][4] UpScrolled is backed by the Tech for Palestine incubator.
So much for being impartial.
This doesn’t necessarily mean they’re not being impartial.
If a side’s position is the truth, they’re going to support impartiality, because they want the truth to be spread, which supports their side.
TikTok is probably about to start moderating heavily in favour of a pro-Israel/anti-Palestine bias, just like other Western social media platforms. It’s possible that all a startup would have to do is not do this to secure funding from Palestinian investors.
My only question is whether they’ll allow progressive types on their platform long-term.
I feel like every platform outside of the Fediverse is like this nowadays.
From what I saw they are impartial but have an enormous moderation problem. Most likely due to being overwhelmed by the influx of new users.
I bet they’re gonna need money to stem that influx, and I’m worried where they’ll find it.
An Australian app, so you can say “Epstein” on this one but still not “stop the genocide and colonisation of Palestine”. At least the hate speech manager (for now) isn’t an ex-IDF Zionist and the platform (for now) is not expressly pro-Israel / pro-genocide.
Isn’t upscrolled created by a Palestinian? I doubt he’d be okay with censoring a genocide against his people.
The guy who made the app is a Palestinian who’s both pro Palestine and trying to do the no political censorship gimmick, the end result? An app that’s infested with actual nazis.
How many quick short videos can one consume before they become tired of them? What is the bizarre appeal to that crap instead of actually doing something?
Yes I am typing here on Lemmy, you could make an argument, but damn you see ten short videos you have seen them all.
For me it’s news snippets, recipe ideas, 3d print ideas, and short form comedy. I look at it maybe 15min daily. Sometimes days without. My wife probably does 2hrs a day (stay home mother, homeschool teacher, honored caregiver). For her it’s the entertainment that can be quickly put down, little investment involved.
I can’t imagine. I can get all of that elsewhere, video is such a slow delivery…
There is something just wrong with quick cuts and fast in your face stuff. I swear it’s a simple dumbing down plus dopamine injection. It can’t be good for you.
It’s not! It’s terrible for you! I miss the early days of TikTok when everyone just shit on it for being cringy dances.
Larry Ellison tool over Tiktok to stifle anti israel and pro Palestine voices and the NPCs thought it was all about China.
Told you so.
I never use Tick Tock but when I saw this headline I decided to sign up for this. All I saw was a bunch of it Arabic writing and Arabic posts. It might be popular but it’s not popular in North America. Deleted immediately.
Half the marketing seems to be “Did you know the founder is a Palestinian?”
Yeah, cool, hope his background helps bring some light on the atrocities being done 5o his kin. But when it comes to the app, he could be the first child to be born in Antarctica for all I care. Is the product any use?
Are these people unaware that YouTube Shorts is a thing?
I am and that is why I actively avoid.
youtube shorts get thier content from tiktok. and you can block shorts.
No, they are just keenly aware that YouTube Shorts is shit by comparison.
It’s literally the same thing
but its algorithm is not as addictive, so its shit
That’s the real reason I’m on TikTok… but I’m fine with that
The attraction to tt was the algorithm. Yt’s algo is garbo. Yt just gives you more of the same, whereas tt would magically align you with your people and your needs. Yt is sorta trying to do that right now, but it’s all from spying on you, rather than algorithmically.
It’s like the difference between having a conversation with somebody irl about having itchy feet and then suddenly your algorithm is filled with ads for views cures for itchy feet, vs slowly figuring out that you’re neurodivergent, and then through watch time and liked comments, starting to feed you stuff that other people like you like, and you end up in whatever corner that is most useful to you.
It’s the difference between your platform ONLY being one video at a time and the devs HAVE to figure out what you MIGHT like, vs a platform that feeds you choices and a feed and tries to guess your categories and shit. It’s very, very different, and imo tt was much, much better.
It’s funny but, when people talk about what tiktok is just x-thing, they’re really really telling on themselves. Like if people say it’s just slop or teens dancing, it’s pretty well known, at least to people who have USED tiktok, that that’s really fucking bad unless the person is themselves a teen. Unfortunately, it’s usually a conservative senator or someone’s dad and it’s just eewwwww
Yt just gives you more of the same, whereas tt would magically align you with your people and your needs.
That sounds like the exact same thing to me but slower. And you seem to be implying that TikTok doesn’t spy on you, which I highly doubt.
Literally never heard of the website until today, this article is wildly overexaggerating
This advertisement is exaggerating, I would say.
I mean, it’s charted #1 on social media on the app stores. It’s an explosive rise in popularity, but that’s not unheard of. If anything, I suspect that the popularity is manufactured. It’s likely some company running an astroturf campaign to capitalize on the fact that people are tired of TikTok’s censorship BS.
Or people are just tired of zionist propaganda and want to support a palestinian made app
My big concern right now is actually the fact that the “no censorship” part is already being weaponized by Nazis. I suspect it will quickly fall prey to the Nazi Bar Problem. I gave the app a fair shot. Opened it up, and the very first post was a “the Jews are secretly running the world” post from an account named something like @ItsAlwaysTheJews. It had a caricature of a Jew (big nose, long sideburns, and yarmulka) reaching out of a TV to steal a watcher’s brain.
Okay, not a great first impression, but that’s inevitable on a free speech app. Let’s keep scrolling. Three or four more posts down, and I was met with a “Hitler was right about the jews” post. Yikes. The fact that those were up front and center (on the default “Ranked” sort) for my brand new account was… Not a great sign.
Time will tell. I do hope it succeeds, because TikTok is clearly an awful choice. But it needs to succeed for the right reasons, and not just become a Nazi cesspit.
Edit: I just opened the app again after posting this comment, and the second post on my feed was a white pride “they’re trying to replace us/white genocide” (common white power talking point to recruit new members) post:
Edit 2: Looking at the account’s follower list, it looks like users are largely using the Palestinian genocide to justify Nazi imagery. Equating Israel’s actions with Jews in general. There are a few straight up Hitler glorification accounts on the follower list, which have “the Jews are genociding Palestine” types of posts right alongside 1488 posts, swastikas, and Nazi salutes. Here is a quick screenshot of some of the followers:
And here is a screenshot of how those followers are using the Palestinian genocide to justify the holocaust:
The upper post is a bunch of dead Palestinian kids and babies lined up in a row. The lower post is obvious. Both (re)posted by the same @HitlerTheHero account.Holy crap that’s even worse than I thought. I tried making an account just to check it out myself even though I’m not at all interested in the service itself, but their email verification emails just never come through even though I tried several times (I’m using Proton, and no they didn’t end up in spam). Seems like I’m much better off, never having to come into contact with… that.
So this isn’t even a “from the frying pan into a slightly cooler frying pan” situation, but more like “from the frying pan into the open core of a nuclear reactor”. I wouldn’t be surprised if this even further radicalises Americans
the “no censorship” part is already being weaponized by Nazis.
Yeah, this is the inevitable result with any app that tries the no censorship schtick. It happens every single time, obviously this time won’t be any different.
Jesus fucking Christ.
The Palestinian made app is unironically a hub for nazis and islamists
