What do you use for syncing your password manager between your Android phone and your PC? Apparently Nextcloud doesn’t support two-way syncing on Android for some reason, and Syncthing-Fork is still untrustworthy since the disastrous handover. The AI generated profile picture of researchxxl doesn’t exactly inspire confidence either, neither does his GitHub bio:
Hi! My name is Jonas and I like to use my coding skills from games and modding to continue work on the Syncthing for Android wrapper.
Everything about this person screams vibe coder.
Bitwarden is an alternative, but I don’t like how non-standard it is. It’s cumbersome to manage and backup, meanwhile the KeePass format is just a file that I can backup wherever and however I want and there are many frontends to choose from.
Have you solved this?
I use Vaultwarden. Each synced device is a backup, so there’s no real need to keep anything further than that, but I do keep one backup of the server files anyway.
Yeah, that’s a good point. There are still a few cons though:
- If the server goes down (or your internet connection goes down), you can’t add entries to your database. Local changes aren’t allowed.
- Bitwarden doesn’t support supplementing your passphrase with a key file.
- The Bitwarden clients aren’t enitrely FOSS as far as I understand, the SDK used has a non-free license.
There are pros and cons in both alternatives, and there is unfortunately not a perfect solution. I like the idea and philosophy behind the KeePass format, so the increase in syncing complexity is worth it (for now at least).
It’s true re adding passwords while the server is offline, but my server runs 24x7 and it’s never down for more than a few minutes. If it goes down, I fix it. I also backup the encrypted DB regularly to cloud, so there is little risk of data loss. I am a very satisfied Vaultwarden user. Especially because it allows password sharing with my family. Everyone has an account.
Vaultwarden, no question. When I used KeePass, I had Synology Drive which worked well to sync.
@clifmo @versionc not on android but vaultwarden syncs across basically everything. Mac, Linux, Windows, ios, and should hit the bitwarden app and extensions on android too. my only extras catch is I put it behind my tailnet. so I have to have the device on it to see it. Though if you are trying to stay away from bitwarden/vaultwarden I’m not sure.
Works perfectly on android. Push notifications, sync, passkeys, everything
Vaultwarden with the Bitwarden Android app and browser extension for my desktop. I already have a solid system for backing up the important data for all my docker containers. As soon as I added it, it was automatically added to that process.
My spouse has an account so if I die she can gain access to my passwords with a simple request. That’s function is important to me.
My exact answer as well. Saved me some typing - thanks :)
Bitwarden.
Paid. Not because I need the added paid features, but because I value it and want to show my appreciation for the developers.
Vaultwarden
Paid bitwarden.
I use Bitwarden too. I now use the paid version (which is incredibly cheap) but I was able to sync between Android and PC without the paid for version iirc
The only (known to me) perk of the paid version is the encrypted storage (and probably the org feature).
So yeah. I see it more of a donation/appreciation than a service fee.
But the recent peice increase stung a bit.Paid also helps if you share passwords with multiple people.
bitwarden
seems odd you say how cumbersome it is to manage and backup (not an issue I’ve faced though) and yet you are using some cumbersome alternative ?
If you’re using a keepass database, Keepass2Android can natively sync with many cloud options including self hosted and generic ones, even without specific “companion” apps. That’s what I use. In my case, it’s backed by my NextCloud, but it used to be Google drive before.
Just also sync the file on your PC, merging changes from different clients is part of the keepass database format and “just works”.
Also VaultWarden works great if your can self host it, but I prefer keepass for a variety of features and integrations.
KeePass2Android is a fantastic project. I’ve been using it for 10+ years on my Android devices. Every once in a while I’ll try a different variant, like KeePassDX, but I always return to the spartan look of KP2A. It “just works”, with no extra fluff.
merging changes from different clients is part of the keepass database format and “just works”.
This is the best thing about KeePass in general.
Keepass + syncthing = win
Syncthing-Fork is still untrustworthy since the disastrous handover
Maybe I’m OOTL on this?
I thought everyone concluded that it was poorly communicated but ultimately no indication of any foul play.
Correct.
That conversation has finished, the dust has settled and syncthing-fork is fine.
I use Nextcloud + KeepassDX on android and KeepassXC on PC. Have never had an issue. Changes on desktop/phone are propagated virtually immediately across devices.
Same here. There was a window of a couple of months when some NC background process wasn’t running reliably in Android, but that got fixed (a year ago?) and it’s been rock solid before and since.
Personally, I use Keepass with syncthing and it works fine enough. If you don’t really trust the new person behind Syncthing-Fork, you could always install the older version before the handover (I think before v3.4?).
If you really don’t trust syncthing at all, you could just manually back it up. New passwords aren’t made every day, so you could just copy the passwords database over between your devices whenever there’s a change. That’s what I did before I heard about syncthing, and is what I do with my music still, since I don’t regularly update what music I listen to.
Selfhost Vaultwarden. Browsers Bittwarden extensions and Android with Keyguard app.
KeepassXC and Nextcloud. Been working fine for years.
Same setup here. Worked for years and I’ve no plans to switch. As long as Nextcloud is up, bidirectional editing is simple. Trouble comes when one of the clients edited the KeePass file and can’t sync.
I’ve had that happen though rarely. In those cases it’s been easy to manually merge the one or two entries if necessary.
Keypass with the vault loaded onto a free OneDrive account.
Just back it up occasionally.
