Graphene refuses to collect user data. So all those new age verification laws, yeah they just eliminated our chance to go back to the good old days of Android.
They might refuse adding APIs and refuse to collect data. These are separate things though.
But upon looking closer, I guess at least one law wants the age check to happen at device setup instead of on the fly? Then I guess that falls into collecting data.
Lenovo running the show is what makes it viable, otherwise I would have thought it was a Google backed conspiracy to drain GrapheneOS resources on a product that would never release.
Tbh the mobile industry is long overdue for some competitive upgrades anyway. A lot of their underlying functionality has fallen far behind desktop OSs.
It’s too bad that the software and hardware are not wholly independent. As for Google pulling that kind of nonsense, I wouldn’t put it past them. They are as sketchy as sketchy gets. But this seems isolated and out of the prying hands/eyes of Google (hopefully).
From the outside, this doesn’t look one sided to me and Motorola (Lenovo) won’t want GrapheneOS “locked away”.
Motorola partnered with GrapheneOS explicitly because they want the highest security for their enterprise phones (in my opinion), so Motorola demanding GrapheneOS be less secure would be silly for them anyways since they prioritise enterprise (as far as I know).
And in any case, if Motorola caused beef with the GrapheneOS team, I believe in GrapheneOS’s morals to ignore stupidity. They probably have a contract anyways that states Motorola have near zero influence over the OS.
Motorola is desperate for a non-Google solution because they don’t want to be losing to Google when it has a monopoly over everything. So you may be right in that Motorola wants the highest security for enterprise but more generally if they don’t have an alternative operating system then they don’t have a future in the cell phone business.
Lenovo and Dell are some of the only companies that actually care about Linux weirdly enough. That also arnt Linux software developers anyways. If anyone’s goanna do it “right” it’s those two.
Short answer, whoever buys them, all of the above. But consider, that with the whole world’s slide to the default invasion of privacy, the privacy crowd might well get invaded by the average Joe tired of all the shit.
The Moto Signature which is their highest end phone is £900, and a price comparison site can get you an under £40 contract, so the successor should be similar.
I want to applaud that but not if its the same as Google android where you’re waiting a year or more for an update. So many features I wanted over the years and was stuck to 11 or 12 at the time(or earlier idk which that thing had but it was a common occurrence since i had the issue with 2 diff phones)
Would be nice to have a non Google device with GrapheneOS
Motorola is supposed to be doing Graphene supported phones soon, whether thats from the factory or with an official installer I am not sure
Won’t happen in the US ironically.
Graphene refuses to collect user data. So all those new age verification laws, yeah they just eliminated our chance to go back to the good old days of Android.
Graphene does not need to collect that data. it’s the websites, apps and services that want it. Not Graphene.
What you are implying is like saying Graphene won’t let a phone do any location services at all. And I doubt Graphene doesn’t support Maps.
Spoken like someone who hasn’t seen what the Graphene team themselves have said on the matter.
And also someone who doesn’t understand current US laws going into effect.
This is an OS level requirement now.
They might refuse adding APIs and refuse to collect data. These are separate things though.
But upon looking closer, I guess at least one law wants the age check to happen at device setup instead of on the fly? Then I guess that falls into collecting data.
Seems likely at this moment that Motorola phones will run GrapheneOS be right out the gate as it is a partnership. Just hopefully it’s not a one sided partnership and Motorola doesn’t strong arm the GrapheneOS people into something that is more locked away and just works like an app. https://www.digitaltrends.com/phones/motorola-plans-to-put-grapheneos-on-phones-so-why-is-it-a-big-deal/
Lenovo running the show is what makes it viable, otherwise I would have thought it was a Google backed conspiracy to drain GrapheneOS resources on a product that would never release.
Tbh the mobile industry is long overdue for some competitive upgrades anyway. A lot of their underlying functionality has fallen far behind desktop OSs.
It’s too bad that the software and hardware are not wholly independent. As for Google pulling that kind of nonsense, I wouldn’t put it past them. They are as sketchy as sketchy gets. But this seems isolated and out of the prying hands/eyes of Google (hopefully).
From the outside, this doesn’t look one sided to me and Motorola (Lenovo) won’t want GrapheneOS “locked away”.
Motorola partnered with GrapheneOS explicitly because they want the highest security for their enterprise phones (in my opinion), so Motorola demanding GrapheneOS be less secure would be silly for them anyways since they prioritise enterprise (as far as I know).
And in any case, if Motorola caused beef with the GrapheneOS team, I believe in GrapheneOS’s morals to ignore stupidity. They probably have a contract anyways that states Motorola have near zero influence over the OS.
Motorola is desperate for a non-Google solution because they don’t want to be losing to Google when it has a monopoly over everything. So you may be right in that Motorola wants the highest security for enterprise but more generally if they don’t have an alternative operating system then they don’t have a future in the cell phone business.
Enterprise wants it to be managable in case of loss or theft.
Security is a nice to have.
Lenovo and Dell are some of the only companies that actually care about Linux weirdly enough. That also arnt Linux software developers anyways. If anyone’s goanna do it “right” it’s those two.
2027ish
Yeah but even then - are they targeting hobbyists and privacy crowd? Or more like some special enterprise use case?
Short answer, whoever buys them, all of the above. But consider, that with the whole world’s slide to the default invasion of privacy, the privacy crowd might well get invaded by the average Joe tired of all the shit.
It’s definitely meant for their Enterprise customers.
Then hopefully M$ Authenticator and banking apps will work on it.
so, only the most expensive phones not even my small company will afford
The Moto Signature which is their highest end phone is £900, and a price comparison site can get you an under £40 contract, so the successor should be similar.
I want to applaud that but not if its the same as Google android where you’re waiting a year or more for an update. So many features I wanted over the years and was stuck to 11 or 12 at the time(or earlier idk which that thing had but it was a common occurrence since i had the issue with 2 diff phones)
It’s an HTC device, Google has just consumed the entire tech sector.
Really need Theodore Roosevelt to rise from his grave and start taking his big stick to all the big, monopolistic companies again.
We can only hope AI discovers necromancy before we all fall to techno-fascism.