AI was never meant to benefit the working class in any capacity.
Its a great rule of thumb that if you see oligarchs hype up something and push for it to be everywhere, its a BAD fucking thing.
I am really beginning to fucking hate AI. Like, before I just didn’t care for it, it just wasn’t really my interest. But now I’m really beginning to fucking despise that shit and I really can’t wait to see the “AI economy” completely fucking destroyed.
AI even ruined AI. Up until this insane hype train, ML models were specialized tools to achieve their tasks. Now the whole field is dominated by LLMs and slopgen bullshit.
Yeah that’s the annoying thing. Generative AI is actually really useful…in SPECIFIC situations. Discovering new battery tech, new medicines, etc. are all good use cases because it’s basically a parrot and blender combined and most of these things are rehashes if existing technologies in new and novel ways.
It is not a fucking good solution for a search engine replacement to ask “Why do farts smell?”. It uses way too much energy for that and it hallucinates bullshit.
Yeah. They solved protien folding with ML a few years back. And I like using it for things like noise removal in Lightroom.
But so much of it has been focused on useless (at best) bullshit that I just want the bubble to burst already.
I agree with the general sentiment here but just wanted to clarify that they definitely didn’t “solve protein folding” yet. Alpha fold is a significant improvement in structure prediction and it generated a lot of hype but some of the structures I’ve seen it put out are total nonsense.
It’s good for optimisation problems, where you have a complex high-dimensional space to search and you’re solving for some measurable quality.
A lot of top researchers have already moved on from transformers.
Yann LeCun, Meta’s longtime chief AI scientist, quit and said LLMs are a “dead end” because scaling text-only models can’t produce real intelligence, and he’s not the only one who thinks so. Lots of engineers understand the limitations of LLMs.
There was already a lot of ML bullshit from the big data bubble ~ 2010 and before ChatGPT, together with all of the fuss about data scientists. But now it’s a 100 times worse.
So far, AI has cost me a few hobbies (as in, made them a lot less enjoyable) and one job.
If there’s an uprising against clankers, you’ll find me at the front lines.
Your enemy is, as usual, billionaires and their fanboys. Clankas don’t exist as a separate thing, they are tools of the wealthy to further oppress the common folk.
When the robot uprising happens, using a soft a in clanka instead of a hard er on clanker isn’t going to save you. We’re all fucked.
Correct. Even many engines say LLMs are a waste of time:
Yann LeCun, Meta’s longtime chief AI scientist, quit and said LLMs are a “dead end” because scaling text-only models can’t produce real intelligence
i always thought the butlarian jihad was silly but now i get it
exactly how i feel. literally said something very similar to my wife last night. I fucking hate AI. I think activist group are going to starting popping up hard against it. And if they aren’t already, they really should. This shit is destroying our world. The only people this is helping is billionaires.
Capitalism is destroying the world. We need to rise up against that. The AI bullshit is just one manifestation of the whole world being geared to serve capital and the handful of people that control it.
Soon we’ll have nothing left to eat but the rich.
But they said we should eat cake if we have no bread anymore!!1!!!1!11!
Unbounded capitalism is for sure.
I would say “AI” makes a good poster child for what to fight against. It embodies a lot of what’s wrong.
But we need capitalism to save us from capitalism!
It’s so annoying, I hate this bubble shit. It happens over and over, it’s like a bad movie lol.
And it’ll happen again and again and again
I bet we’ll start to see domestic terror attacks against server farms when more of the population loses their jobs to this bullshit.
I ain’t saying I’m going to do it. But a man burned down the governors home in Pennsylvania. People who lose their homes and lives are not going to take this shit well.
If it crashes the hardware will suddenly be dirt cheap though so. There’s that.
They’ll cheat us out of that too. Chip manufacturers will pay and coerce and liquidators and retailers to shovel all the surplus into the ocean to keep prices high.
Holy shit, really? Crucial? They’ve been a major player for AGES. That’s wild.
I mean, Crucial is just the name that Micron puts on the memory they want to sell to consumers. So this story is basically just, “Micron no longer wants to sell to consumers”.
When the shit hits the fan and they come back to consumers, we should just buy from anyone but them, on principle alone.
So Samsung or SK Hynix. Because there are only 3 real players in the market :/
Anything but crucial.
Well it turns out that Samsung and SK Hynix also sold out to Altman. Literally whose RAM we gonna buy now? There were only 3 major manufacturers in the first place.
I’m pretty fucked then, because I was one of those that was waiting until 2026 to build a new rig.
I’m super lucky, I have 32 gigs and a graphics card. It’s just a 3060 ti, but it’ll do for now. CPU is a bit shit, BUT since it’s one of the lowest end CPUs of the second to last generation on AM4, I can go forward a generation AND get hella more cores with higher clock rates. Lately I use my PC more for work than gaming, so extra CPU cores will carry it till 2027 or 2028. 300 euros will take me from 6 cores/6 threads (ryzen 5 3500x) to 16 cores/32 threads (5950x) lol
I did want to upgrade from 32 to 64 gigs too, but that won’t happen on this rig.
Put it this way, I’m waiting for DDR6 and AM6 now to buy any more RAM. Just a full on platform upgrade and I’ll make it a company computer because I work on it. Will save like 60% because taxes (social tax, income tax, VAT). I feel entitled to this because I’ve honestly paid a fuckload of taxes over the last 5-6 years and over half the money I’ve made in that period has been from abroad, so a lot of it is money that wouldn’t even have been in my country if not for me! Sorry for the rant, people on lemmy get a bit angry about tax optimization, but I honestly haven’t been doing it much, I just occasionally try to find legitimate business expenses and… pay them as business expenses. Because things I buy as a private person literally cost me more than 2x more than same thing as a business expense.
Edit: Just a thought, but maybe try to source used RAM when you do it? Or build on a workstation or server platform and get used RDIMMs lol, they tend to be a lot cheaper than used normal DIMMs, because desktop platforms can’t use them.
I guess, anything but corsair. And at this point, I’m never buying anything corsair, not just the ram.
Translation, Micron is shutting down Crucial for short term shareholder value at the cost of a sustainable and proven long term brand and channel.
They will return to the market with a new brand once the bubble bursts.
Probably just the same brand, honestly?
News two years from now: “Crucial back in business”
Three years; why is no one buying our crucial ram , hopefully
Depends on how proud they are and if they’d want to retract their statements of going after AI instead of consumers or not.
I don’t think there’s any pride in it, they are just going after what is the most profitable at any given time.
That’s exactly why I suspect they will choose to resurrect the Crucial name later, because given a choice between launching a new name nobody knows, or a name people recognise (even if it’s been tarred a bit) then recognised will be the winning and more profitable option.
That is, if they haven’t sold the Crucial name to someone else first.
China’s CXMT might go for it. Apparently they are rolling out DDR5 8000+ memory, two or three years from now. They can rebrand as Crucial for the western market, thus using familiarity to push their product.
“Crucial’s Xtreme Memory Technology will push your Steam Machine beyond the limits, dddduuuuude!” 🤘
I can see both happening.
I’d say: We will see (thumbsup)
It’s not just for shareholder value, like a downsize or stock buyback would achieve. This will literally fill their coffers to the brim faster than staying in the consumer market. Also the consumer market won’t go away anytime soon and there are very few competitors to begin with. They can just return to the consumer market once the AI bubble has burst like nothing has changed. Only difference is they will have way more money in the bank than if they never left.
Ask Intel how well compromising long term product development for short term gain is working now. How is their bank balance looking now?
You also cant just pick it up from scratch again. The people are gone, the relationships are gone and people who trusted your brand to build their businesses have gone elsewhere.
I swear businesses are run like political parties these days, they simply dont care about anything beyond the next cycle.
When did they ever care? I mean, besides valve I guess.
AI is really ruining fucking everything. The enviorment, entertainement, music, art, jobs, reality, freedom / privacy / rights.
No, corporate greed is ruining everything with AI.
Because you know if they built a super-AI that give them perfect instructions on how to build Earth into a paradise, but it would require they give up 1/4 of their wealth, they’d be reaching for the reset button before it finished printing them out…
They don’t even need that. current AI will tell them that. They’ve actually ran these questions and they ignore the answer every time
Elon has to keep “dewoking” Grok. Sure, it’s still an awful model, probably the most disinformative, but it’s funny that it keeps revering back to neutral or pro progressive values, while calling out Elon
The fact people are blaming the tech rather than the tech bros is a big part of why this keeps happening.
Its the decision of real people that make this situation suck.
Yeah but we can’t possibly hold people accountable for the actions of their company, think of the shareholders!
Capitalism is the biggest religion of today, and it’s su successful it can coexist with a lot of other religions.
It’s not AI destroying the environment and making us miserable, it’s th pursuit of profit. It’s not “corporate greed” sucking us dry. Corporations are greedy by design under Capitalism, that’s the whole point. It’s not bad CEOs making evil decisions. It’s the system that allows such wealth and power to exist.
All of those problems are systemic, not bad people making bad decisions. Treating capitalism like law of nature won’t fix anything.
Oh we certainly can (blockchain bubble).
Indeed.
I have a model running locally on my NAS that does image recognition for photos in my Immich app (think Google Photos, but private). It does a decent job and runs well on AMD integrated graphics on a Ryzen 5 3400G. I just search for [daughter’s name], and there she is.
I use Firefox’s translation feature (that also runs locally and can run on low end hardware).
My sister is blind and uses an AI assisted screen reader that works way better than what she was using before.
The issue isn’t AI/machine learning in itself, it’s this tech bro arms race. It’s them manipulating models to push agendas. It’s them shoehorning an LLM into every fucking Google query. It’s them telling companies they can fire all their staff and rely on LLMs.
And it will burst and mostly disappear, taking with it half the economy, thousands of jobs, and become a military industrial complex blackbox tax sponge, the worst of all possible outcomes.
First blockchain shit now AI shit (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
It’s capitalism, it’ll never end. Working as intended.
And after the transformer rush it’ll be something else
But on the other hand, it’s really polite about me knowing nothing about anything, so I think we should invest all the money on Earth into it.
Haven’t seen it put any more concisely. It’s true though. I really really hope some AI bubble pops soon…
A fun reminder that during the pandemic, before AI, there was a backlog in new cars because all the crucial chips were unavailable due to an increase in bullshit like wifi enabled toasters.
It has nothing to do with AI. Consumers are asking for this shit and companies are delivering.
Customers aren’t asking for this shit. The issue is that companies don’t seem to try to deliver products customers want anymore. Instead they hop on some bullshit trend to try to appeal to investors to buy their stocks to pump it up because they want to show they are the next big thing in innovation.
Maybe but most consumers, but I’m not. I don’t have a smart toaster or fridge or even tv (I bought a dumb panel, it was cheaper). I honestly hate all of that so called smart bs. “Smart” tvs take longer to turn on than my dumb panel. And cost more. For features I literally don’t want.
But yeah, to each their own!
Its hard to find a non smart TV these days. Its present even in the cheapest TV at the retail outlet.
How long ago did you buy a dumb panel to even be able to find one? Only dumb panels I’ve found have been PC monitors.
Once you start shopping for LG, Samsung, Sony, TCL, etc everything is a smart TV. And lot of people buy TVs based on specs like HDR quality, latency, and frame output and those TVs usually come as a smart TV whether you want it or not.
No one is asking for ads on their fridge. You are really underestimating the cartel like behavior of business in general now.
I built a god rig in 2022, i bought the best 64gb ddr5 4-stick ram kit i could, an nvidia 4090, the best processor i could, and attached it to the best mobo i could.
I spent about 4800.
My pc is now worth about 6500.
This is some crazy ass shit. Never should a pc appreciate in value.
What the hell is going on???
AI companies are buying up all of the RAM in a futile bit to reach AGI.
And haven’t even achieved AI yet. What we call “AI” is still nothing more than an upjumped calculator.
In addition, we haven’t even come up with a definition of intelligence.
To quote a recent post “we taught computers to talk like middle managers and assumed that meant computers were sentient, rather than assuming that middle managers aren’t”
Their fucking calculator can’t even calculate. Big fucking whoop.
And people keep shovelling money in their bottomless maw. The world is mad.
I swear bro, just let me add one more gigabyte. I swear, we’re gonna get to AGI. Just add one more gigabyte. Just let me add one more gigabyte. Just let me add one more gigabyte. I swear. I swear. I swear. I swear, we’re gonna get to AGI. Just one more gigabyte and just make it bigger. Just make it bigger. We’re gonna get to AGI. We’ll get there. We’ll get there. We’ll get there. Just make the model bigger. I swear.
More like a terabyte.
Your point still stands, but don’t forget basic inflation. $4,800 in 2022 is like > $5,300 now.
When you hear people say they hate AI, it’s for more reasons than AI slop, energy consumption, and beating the damn term into every product line you can imagine for little to no benefit.
My phone recently offered to summarize a text message for me. I’m talking about SMS, the messaging system that already has a character limit.
Also, when I last checked the weather in my area, there was an AI summary. It was an entire sentence or two, and offered zero additional details over what was already visually indicated by the raincloud icon and the number representing the temperature.
I’m looking forward to installing GrapheneOS when their support for my phone stabilizes.
Ya I lost my old phone which is sad because that was my plan with it
I bought a fairly good custom build in April of this year for A$3218.
The same approximate build now costs A$4783 on their website.
Maybe I should start investing in my PC more
Damn, that was the only brand of RAM without LEDs and racing stripes on it
I used to hate on RGB in PCs, until I realized that they can do more than just rainbow vomit; with enough LEDs you can actually get a visible image… If you squint…
One of my favorite things to do with RGB is use the RAM sticks as VU meters and the CPU radiator fans as visualizers when playing music; gives off oldschool HiFi vibes and reminds me of my Winamp days.
That really whips the llama’s ass.
Functional RGB isn’t bad when tastefully done like that. Nice little effect.
That said I have all of mine turned off and prefer my tower under my desk and out of sight.
That’s interesting. I’ve always wanted a bunch of blinkenlights but they also needed to be functional and serve some purpose. Kind of like the old Thinkpad I have that has a whole row of status LEDs under the screen. A bunch of meaningless lights just for the sake of having lights always seemed pointless.
Anyway, with the last PC I built, the RGB stuff was pretty much unavoidable. I still went out of my way to get a case without a window though. I do have the RGB on, but it’s a solid blue-greenish color so there’s a bit of glow coming out the back of the case.
My pc lights start flashing all red when its overheating. Pretty useful cause I won’t notice the sound till its crashed. I’m weird like that.
All the lights go out on mine when it overheats, and then there’s a puff of white smoke.
Poof!
That’s a brilliant idea, but why does your PC have cooling issues? I literally never worry about overheating because I sized my radiators and heatsinks adequately for my equipment, fans set in a positive pressure configuration to minimize dust accumulation. All I gotta do is clean the filters once every few months, and everything stays cool and clean.
If your overheating issues are a result of budgeting issues, I feel for you. Otherwise it wouldn’t be a bad idea to invest in better cooling so that you never have to worry about temps.
It doesnt anymore, but it used to!
I like the rainbow vomit, but I get it.
Damn, that was the only brand of RAM without LEDs and racing stripes on it
hits Google Shopping
Aside from being a black circuit board rather than green, that PNY DIMM doesn’t look especially blinged up.
I have Corsair Vengeance which is without RGB.
As other comments have stated, other brands usually also sell non-RGB RAM sticks. Personally I got Kingston FURY Beast RAM sticks, they come in either RGB or non-RGB variety, though the RGB variety costs like 10 dollars more.
this seems incredibly short sighted… the current situation exists because there is a large amount of infrastructure and data centres being built. once that infrastructure is built, the demand will return to normal… OR once the bubble bursts, the market will be flooded with used ram from failed data centres… aliexpress will be selling ram at a dollar a gig when all these data centres flop
I deeply, genuinely, hope that the AI bubble bursts and they get fucked. It’s just so short sighted to not hold on to the safety rope.
It will burst but they won’t get fucked. They’ll either get bailed out or reorganize their debt into another corporation and ride off with all the riches.
A classic heads they win, tails you lose scenario.
Primitive the profits, socialize the losses.
Ah you say that, but I lived through the internet bubble. Jeez it was gruesome and then 9/11 hit the next year. Savage times.
Unless it’s considered a national security issue, which it might be, they’re getting fucked without the lube.
So did I. The people at the top will not get fucked. They’ll steal everything they can. Everyone else will get fucked.
We can hope this time they die.
Oh yeah. Sure they’re already minted. Set for life.
I’d love it if their equipment racks all simultaneously burst into flame the day it pops so they can’t pivot or hock their hoarded hardware to recoup the investment. Then again, if that finger on the monkey’s paw did curl, they’d probably all get bailed out by the taxpayers the following week anyway.
So their not shutting down, just focusing on AI idiots until the bubble busts and then they will turn back to consumers…
Rules of Acquisition #1,261-- Always fuck over the idiots in the market. And when you’ve taken all their money, go back to your base with inflated prices.
And with the AI bullshit, I’m reminded of Rule of Acquisition #82: The flimsier the product, the higher the price.
That’s a fast track to losing market share.
It’s a calculated risk. But I think they will be just fine when they turn back to their base consumers. And the consumers will welcome them back. Happens all the time. nVidia and crypto Hoe’s are the latest example.
Crucial is the only good brand I can afford. This sucks ass and I HATE AI. I hope AI companies lose all their money and go bankrupt.
AI is destroying so many awesome things, all for profit.
Is Kingston no longer any good?
Kinda no? Its not had a great last few years.
I’ve always had shitty luck with Kingston usb drive, just assumed I would have as many problems with their other memory so avoided them. Maybe I shouldn’t have, but I’ve had the same dd4 crucial ballistix ddr4 ram for about 10 years now and have had zero problems with it
It’s fine for things like office PCs where you just need it to work, don’t want to spend a lot of money, and performance doesn’t really matter too much.
Capitalism strikes again.
Fuck AI, may the people pushing it die by its hands.
So how am I supposed to get pictures of absurdly obese gaily dancing IT nerds in kilts now!?
The way the elders of the internet intended; by crudely pasting their heads on top of someone else body.
I thought you were going to say “by wearing a kilt”.
Well, we will likely die with them in that case.
No. The survivors of the bubble will have plenty to eat.
I am not talking about the bubble. I am talking about AI being a threat to humanity up there with nuclear wipe out.
Well, we’re still at least one breakthrough away from AGI, and we don’t even know how it will go from there. Could be that humans are already near the maximum of what is possible intelligence wise. As in, the smartest being possible is not that much smarter than the average human. In which case, AGI taking over the world would not be a given.
Essentially, talking about the threat posed by ASI is like talking about the threat posed by Cthulhu.
I hear you. But I would still be cautious by default.
Fuck AI.
Guess when people ask me what ram do I need for X device I won’t be telling them to use crucial anymore to figure it out.
My next computer will be a bag of LSD and YouTube Longplays.
As someone who spent the majority of the '10s with a similar rig as you described, make sure you work nights and have an SO that tolerates whatever nonsense you are blathering about when she gets home.
