• zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
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    This part really stuck out for me:

    This is the latest example of a strange marketing strategy by AI companies. Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don’t get on the AI bandwagon.

    If hype doesn’t work, try threats!

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      Which is how you know they have a good product that they have full faith in.

      when they have to blackmail, threaten, coerce, and force people to accept their product.

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      For some odd reason, this calls to mind an emotionally immature parent trying to get their toddler to eat vegetables… no reason at all…

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        Just that the vegetables in this case are actually fastfood and gummibears.

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      Threats work well for scams. People who couldn’t be bothered to move by promises of something new and better can be motivated by fear of losing what they already have.

      It’s really unfortunate psychology is looked down upon and psychologists are viewed as some “soft” profession. Zuck is a psychology major. It’s been 2 decades, most of the radical changes in which were not radical in anything other than approach to human psychology.

      BTW, I’ve learned recently that in their few initial years Khmer Rouge were not known as communist organization to even many of their members. Just an “organization”. Their rhetoric was agrarian (of course peasants are hard-working virtuous people, and from peasantry working the earth comes all the wisdom, and those corrupt and immoral people in the cities should be made work to eat), Buddhist (of course the monk-feudal system of obedience, work and ascese is the virtuous way to live, though of course we are having a rebirth now so we are even wiser), monarchist (they referred to Sihanouk’s authority almost to the end), anti-Vietnamese (that’s like Jewish for German Nazis, Vietnamese are the evil). And after them taking power for some time they still didn’t communicate anything communist. They didn’t even introduce their leadership. Nobody knew who makes the decisions in that “organization” or how it was structured. It didn’t have a face. They only officially made themselves visible as Democratic Kampuchea with communism and actual leaders when the Chinese pressured them. They didn’t need to, because they were obeyed via threat (and lots of fulfillment) of violence anyway.

      This is important in the sense that when you have the power, you don’t need to officially tell the people over which you have it that you rule them.

      So - in these 2 decades it has also came into fashion to deliberately stubbornly ignore the fact that psychology works over masses. And everybody acts as if when there’s no technical means to make people do something, then it’s not likely or possible.

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    Daily reminder that Codeberg is always the good alternative to corporate bastards like this idiot

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    I don’t get it. AI is a tool. My CEO didn’t care about what tools I use, as long as I got the job done. Why do they suddenly think they have to force us to use a certain tool to get the job done? They are clueless, yet they think they know what we need.

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      GitHub is owned by Microsoft, and Microsoft is forcing AI on all the employees

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      Because unlike with the other tools you use the CEO of your company is investing millions of dollars into AI and they want a big return on their investment.

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      Why do they suddenly think they have to force us to use a certain tool to get the job done?

      Not just that… why do they have to threat and push for people to use a tool that allegedly is fantastic and makes everything better and faster?.. the answer is that it does not work but they need to pump the numbers to keep the bubble going

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      I think part of it is because they think they can train models off developers, then replace them with models. The other is that the company is heavily invested in coding LLMs and the tooling for them, so they are trying to hype them up.

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      They are clueless, yet they think they know what we need.

      Accurate description of most managers i’ve encountered.

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      It’s not about individual contributors using the right tools to get the job done. It’s about needing fewer individual contributors in the first place.

      If AI actually accomplishes what it’s being sold as, a company can maintain or even increase its productivity with a fraction of its current spending on labor. Labor is one of the largest chunks of spending a company has so, if not the largest, so reducing that greatly reduces spending which means for same or higher company income, the net profit goes up and as always, the line must go up.

      tl;dr Modern Capitalism is why they care

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    Get out or what? GitHub?

    I don’t understand this insistence that all developers must use AI.

    If AI made a developer better, why insist, wouldn’t the vibe coders outcompete all others?

    Wouldn’t they need non AI coders to train things?

    Or is it because this snake oil pitch only works when everyone does it so no one notices it’s detrimental effects?

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      Studies show AI coding tools make the task slower. It only makes people feel they’re faster, but reality is different. So it’s the snake oil pitch. Nobody can know it doesn’t really work and they keep throwing money at it in an increasingly more desperate “fake it till you make it”. Because, if this thing implodes, it’ll take a large part of the market and economy with it to do a rerun of the 2008 financial crisis.

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      It’s because we’re expensive. That’s the long and short of it.

      10 developers in Silicon Valley can run you $1-$2m in salary alone (it’s more expensive with benefits added).

      The industry constantly conspires to keep the salary of software engineers down. It does it cyclically too. In 2008 I was told I would have no problem getting a 6 figure job when I graduated by 2013. Of course the economy had other ideas. Same thing with the dot Com bubble.

      I currently make double what I did 10 years ago. It doesn’t actually matter much as inflation and a divorce has had my costs balloon just as much, but it’s still loads more than any other job out there.

      They’ll get what they want, one way or another. Then when none of their shit works they inevitably come back begging us and we request better pay and benefits again, because we know they do this. They don’t learn, much like those reliant on AI.

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    Move to Codeberg (esp. if you’re European) - but please don’t forget to donate something as well. If we don’t pay for actual freedom, we won’t be able to keep it.

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    Already done. I moved everything to Codeberg a year or two ago. I strongly recommend it to anyone looking for safe, non-corporate, community-oriented version control. It’s also German and non-profit.

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    GitHub is being pushy? Fucking GitHub?

    Should we tell him git doesn’t actually need GitHub? That it existed just fine before it and will continue to exist after it?

    Ima tell him…

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      At some previous jobs, the newer devs would sometimes confuse the two. Its a real thing.

      Me I lived through svn, mercerial, and file vault. So glad we ended up with git as the protocol.

      Hell you can set up a git + file server and just use it without any Hub (Hob/lab/berg) if your bare metal enough. It works.

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        You can literally run a single command to setup a remote git repository on a server that has ssh.

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        The Linux kernel still works off emailing patches. If such a large project doesn’t need a central repo, you don’t either.

        I use self-hosted Forgejo because it’s convenient, that’s it.

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          It does technically have a central repo, but not the “forge” tooling around it.

          I do think I’m going to move my personal shit to self-hosted Forgejo too though. One project of mine is going to be closed source (don’t boo me, there’s literally no demand for “free” in that market, the target market generally isn’t interested in programming or hosting) and I don’t want the business logic side of it to magically end up in their AI models despite me refusing to allow them. Couldn’t care less about any of the other stuff, I’m not doing anything super high tech or special.

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        I mean I would’ve preferred Hg.

        But to the point, I think GitHub has been instrumental in the success of Git.

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      Sadly a lot of us are stuck with GitHub. Enterprise loves it because it has “Metrics”, and most companies aren’t about to jump ship over something like AI — especially when so many of them are already doubling down on AI in other areas.

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    Funny thing to say after using their code to train the shitty-ass AI. Developers don’t need AI, but AI certainly needs developers.

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      AI also needs a lot of other shit to run even at a basic level. Networks, and systems… A dedicated nuclear power facility on three Mile Island.

      AI can’t run without so many people plugging in the servers, and power, and installing the operating systems… The list of supporting characters is long.

      What if we… Just… Stopped supporting the companies that were pushing AI?

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    While I don’t wish for this future, I do look forward to being one of the few that truly understands the ‘old way’ of computing like many here on Lemmy. All that knowledge I spent my youth acquiring may very well become insanely valuable in the next few decades because so many people will treat it as irrelevant.

    I’ll feel a lot like this:

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      The future is now. The future is also ten, twenty and thirty years ago! According to GitHub’s Chief Executive Idiot himself:

      the skills that will matter most include system design, AI fluency, delegation, and quality assurance

      Except for “AI fluency”, this has been true for fucking ever. No serious work environment evaluates their developers on how quickly they can vomit code (or so I hope): the job is indeed about design, quality and working as a team in general.
      Which means a tool that does not help with any of these is already not a revolution. When the tool actively makes quality worse and collaboration more complicated, I get the impression it is actually detrimental.

      Mind you, I might be dead wrong. I am personally not impressed so far. It seems to be a better autocomplete, but I don’t want to throw a glass of water out the window every time I press tab.

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    And now we understand why MSFT buying github a some years back was a really big deal actually, and not just some kind of mostly neutral, generic expansionary business move.

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      Yes, this isn’t just about profits for these companies.

      It’s about control. They want to prove that they own us, and they’re right more often than not because of useful idiots.

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    Expectation: High quality code done quickly by AI.

    Reality: Low quality AI generated bug reports being spammed in the hopes the spammers can get bug bounty for fixing them, with AI of course.

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    AI can only deliver answers based on training code developers manually wrote, so hod do they expect to train AI in the future if there is no more developers writing code by themselves? You train AI on AI-generated code? Sounds like expected enshittification down the line. Inbreeding basically.

    Also, small fact is that they invested so much money into AI, that they can’t allow it to fail. Such comments never came from people who don’t depend on AI adoption.

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      It’s like all those companies who fast tracked their way into profits by ignoring the catastrophic effects they were having on the environment… Down the road.

      Later is someone else’s problem. Now is when AI-pushers want to make money.

      I hate where things have been heading.

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      same as how it goes on the stock market? they don’t care about the long term, but only the short term. what happens on the long term is somebody else’s problem, you just have to squeeze out everything, and know when to exit.

      they are gambling with our lives. but not with theirs. that’s (one of) the problem: they are not fearing their lives.

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    “Managing agents to achieve outcomes may sound unfulfilling to many”

    No shit, man.