A few days ago, Davuluri shared his excitement about it on his official X handle. He seemed very eager to reveal what the company has in mind at the upcoming Ignite event regarding the agentic OS plans.
Unfortunately for Microsoft and Davuluri, the response has been overwhelmingly negative, so much so that the comments on that X post have now been disabled.
Made me laugh. :)
Microsoft […] gets massive backlash
Pretty much since the release of Windows 10, Microsoft has been getting backlash because of the invasive, hostile and insane decisions they make and force on their users. It’s gotten particularly vocal since W11 and the EOL of Windows 10.
Yet, everybody seems to eat the plate of shit MS serves them. They complain, but most people dont seem to want to put in effort to rid themselves of Microsoft.
I could cry.
Windows 11 made me a Linux user. I stopped eating their shit.
Microsoft […] gets massive backlash
“Fine, then we’re going to do it twice as hard and half as good!” -Microsoft
Windows 8.1 made me a Linux user.
Its not even a lot of effort. Ask anyone using Linux and they will be happy to help.
> Ask
And then ask again each and every single time something doesn’t work. Or you need to install something. Something is badly configured.
You need at least medium level tech literacy to deal with Linux. Maaaaybe entry level with Mint and the like, but still, if you get skittish due to console, at which 70% of worlds population at minimum does, Linux ain’t for you.
Windows is successful because it’s easy to understand and holds your hand as much as possible. People who are complaining are quite often folk who are simply forced to use it, most people don’t really see anything wrong, even those using tech more…
There are linux distributions doing all this for you too.
Your grandma does not need the console to open a browser window.
I even mentioned Mint and that it drops problems to lower level, so? My grandma barely grasped the concept of a browser and had problems understanding how to use google.
And sure as hell when she got some custom-software disc from hospital with embedded images from her x-ray or whatever it’s called, I wouldn’t want her to need to also deal with Linux possibly not being able to run it.
And sure as hell when she got some custom-software disc from hospital with embedded images from her x-ray or whatever it’s called, I wouldn’t want her to need to also deal with Linux possibly not being able to run it.
That’s a reasonable fear, but unmerited. Those discs open perfectly on modern Linux.
This is not true. I’ve helped lots of people install Linux on their old laptops, they used them until the hardware stopped working and I rarely if ever got any questions or requests for help.
Because it just worked.
This honestly isn’t my experience.
A couple years ago now, I went to install Windows 10 on a PC. It got partway through the install process, and then failed with an “Error 0x76A421B3E7291A” or something. Completely opaque, like the damn thing spat out a memory pointer as the only clue. Installing Linux Mint on the same machine threw an error, “Unable to complete installation due to BIOS TBS error. Check TBS BIOS settings and try again. For more information, see this wiki page” and it gave a clickable link, because this is running in a live environment and has a functioning copy of Firefox installed, and it gave a QR code so the page could be easily pulled up on a mobile device.
Windows is not inherently more user friendly.
Yeah there’s also the issue of how much time someone has available to spend on their system. In a lot of cases, it simply isn’t a big part of someone’s life and the spend the least amount of time on it. All of a sudden they’re going to spend the time to learn about this new and huge thing and then do it themselves?
Right. That’s why I gave grandma Linux Mint, rather than asking her to learn Windows.
Wao, you’re so full of it. Windows is the one OS that keeps people wondering why shit doesn’t work. You’ve either never installed and used Linux in the last 10 years, or are butthurt that you’ve defended windows for years and now you’re at the end of your rope, as are they.
I think he has a really good point. I consider myself acceptably tech literate, I’m not afraid of the command line even if I don’t really understand how to use it, I’ve built my own computers for years, and I have a pretty custom configuration of Windows.
One thing a windows user can typically be sure of is that if it’s meant to work, it probably will. There is a pretty black and white environment of what’s possible and what isn’t. Linux is very much more “give it a shot” style computing for beginners. It breaks much more easily, it can be very confusing to configure, and it’s just different.
I think if it similarly to cars. Some people, like myself, love driving, enjoy tinkering with the car, maybe drive a standard for they joy of it. But most people just want a car to take them to work and the store. Most people just want a computer to work, either for their job or their hobby, but the hobby isn’t tinkering with software. The fact that even the very packaged and polished distros can require more than basic tech literacy to configure is likely what turns a lot of people away, whether or not that’s actually the case.
And getting snippy saying somebody is butthurt (which is fucking homophobic btw) is absolutely going to keep pushing people away if they think the community is full of holier than thou Linux nerds that don’t understand how to communicate with normal people.
I’m currently experimenting with different distros right now and am having a similar experience to the person you are replying to.
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Heh, I’m literally in the same boat as you - testing distros and such. And I studied programming for some time so I have above average tech literacy and yet still I had to spend some time learning how to get old wi-fi on a laptop to work (thankfully well documented), and I still have to tinker with which distro will be best for my hardware as it’s not only kinda old, but also I have nvidia card and some wierd wifi so I am ready for things to be weird.
And I hope I didn’t come off as saying that Linux is some insurmountable wall for everyday folk in original comment but as you pointed out - everyday folk ain’t willing to deal with any problems in the first place.
XKCD comic about specialists expectations towards everyday folk come to mind xD
And getting snippy saying somebody is butthurt (which is fucking homophobic btw)
Hold up, is there an origin to this that I’m not aware of? How on earth is that homophobic ?
Former windows user here, ever since I used Win11 for the first time in 2022 I saw how buggy and useless it was. And it was clear to me that someday win10 will stop receiving updates.
I decided to get onto Linux and I am proud of myself that I tasted nearly all the distributions and tried them all.
Pure arch, Manjaro, EndeavourOS, CachyOS, Debian, Linux mint, Tuxedo OS, MX Linux, Zoroin OS, Nix OS, Alpine Linux, OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Kali Linux, Fedora KDE, Fedora Workstation, Fedora KDE Silverblue, etc.
Linux mint, Tuxedo OS, MX Linux, ZoroinOS are the best for new comers from Windows and all are based on Debian.
I actually found pure Debian to be perfect for me as a newcomer a few years back.
That’s awesome! :) Did you land on a favourite for day-to-day stuff? I had the exact same pipeline - windows 11 was announced, and Mint went on days later! :) I love Kubuntu at the moment, and tried PopOS as well. :)
Writing as a new CachyOS user, this is like finishing a move from Florida to New York, and then learning there’s another two hurricanes headed for your old hometown.
Legitimately. Fedora Bluefin here. Giving the atomic thing a try 😁
If only my computer was constantly hooked up to cloud AI watching everything I do! -No one ever.
The ol’ switcherooski. Abruptly end support for your previous product, force people to buy all new hardware, then when everybody is on board you hit em with consumer-hostile monetization attempts. Classic Microsoft baby.
We’re about to get that subscription model! Probably gonna be Adobe flavored. Steam Machine launching just in time.
I can’t shake the feeling that Win11 is part of the AI grift master-plan. They’re a big investor in OpenAI, and OpenAI needs to start showing large, genuine revenue. Locking both consumers and business customers into a subscription model for the largest OS by market share to fund this grift seems like exactly such collusion. The required minimum hardware requirements for Win11 feel like the big clue, here.
As far as I can tell, AI almost always makes a call to a remote server. So why do you need a powerful PC for that? You could do that on a 20 year old computer easily.
I tried AI on my MacBook to ask it how to fix my config. It just did an internet search and didn’t even check the setting on my computer.
It’s certainly just going to end up being used as an advertising tool. Like the recent hype of trying to get people let AI do holiday shopping for them. Like the AI saw you opened paint, have you considered a subscription for Adobe cloud. You searched for cake recipes on Google and clicked links, why not sub to copilot+. It’ll have text to speech AI as well
Iam even more happy to be using Linux 😎
Yeah the ones who went that path now can be super happy about it. We have the best desktop in the world.
Maybe stick to AM4 and processors for now that don’t have AI feature? I have AM4, it works perfect and I haven’t had to upgrade yet. I think there would be a way to disable all of the AI, like with app OOSU10 or tron. Second option would be to install Linux OS and use Wine for any Windows app and for anything buggy that wouldn’t work well, using a vm for it.
Speaking of, there’s VPNs or you could use PIHole to block Microsoft’s telemetry and AI ips.
Speaking of, there’s VPNs or you could use PIHole to block Microsoft’s telemetry and AI ips.
That game of cat and mouse would get very tiresome very fast and Microsoft would win in the end. Better to hope for new vwrsions of Tiny11 or one of those debloater scripts to disable the AI features entirely, but they’d probably be reinstated with every update. Maybe use a hook to re-run the script after every update? I don’t even know if that’s possible in Windows.
Thankfully I’ve been Microsoft free for years now so I don’t have to know. Linux is a blessing.
There must be some unaccounted for survivorship bias in the data for the MS to get it this wrong. Not even about agenda just PR they are operating on bad assumptions which is just bad for business.
Well yes, that data source is called stockholders. They eed to ride the hype. Honestly they really don’t have much choice. Either make the users happy or the stockholders. They can’t do both, it’s impossible at this stage. Want to guess which side wins?
That doesn’t make sense it’s just mindless anti capitalist sentiment which is fun and all but it isn’t getting us anywhere.
I wonder if they’re asking their AI.
I dual boot my rig. My primary is popOS. Might be time to permanently kill windows 11.
Just do it
If you have to use Windows switch to ltsc so you are left out of these updates for few more years.
Better yet, Windows IoT enterprise LTSC. Debloated Windows with LTSC
Yeah iot version is the one I’ve been running. I like how it is stripped so much that I had to download Irfanview for photos. Just how an OS should be. Have barebones stuff to function and install what you need.
I love watching users of proprietary software suffer.
Hang’em high!
They’ve really painted themselves into a corner with their AI investments. It’s starting to look like the total addressable market is a small fraction of what they’d need to break even on their atrociously ill-advised investments into the sector, and now they’re becoming increasingly desperate to shoehorn a technology that nobody wants into everything they can.
Literally everybody who has an inkling of an idea of what’s going on in the AI space knows how this ends, but somehow the board and c-staff at MSFT are not counted amongst the inkling havers. In a few years they’re going to have to write off countless billions that they’ve wasted on this idiocy and nobody will be surprised but them.
Apparently when Satya Nadella took over, Steve Ballmer told him “don’t screw up”. In terms of stock price and profits, he absolutely hasn’t. In terms of producing products that consumers might actually want to pay for, he has failed completely and Microsoft has never been in a worse position. But those two things are completely disconnected now so it’s fine.
Why have windows calculator when you can have windows calculator with AI guess what you want to calculate, get it wrong, spy on you, and use that spying to serve you targetted ads all at the same time? #innovation
Why have windows calculator when you can have windows calculator guess what you want to calculate, get it wrong, spy on you, and use that spying to serve you targetted ads all at the same time? #innovation
Ya know, I’m not a linux “supporter” in the traditional sense. I usually find it annoying when people hijack these threads to say they use linux.
But man…even though I don’t have a clue what I’m doing in linux, I’d rather be on linux than windows 11.
We have passed the point where it has to be complicated. If you choose something like Garuda, Bazzite, or Mint, it should be a pretty straightforward switch.
And contrary to windows, it’s learn once, use forever.
Except all those times where you learnt how to do something when you set it up years ago, and haven’t touched it since because it just bloody works. Then when you need to upgrade to a new machine you have to learn it all again.
Been using Linux for thirty years and it still happens.
I still type
ifconfigby habit. Some kid the other day told me that you can judge a person’s age and Linux experience by whether they expectifconfigandnetstatvsipandss.… I’m just glad they kept the parameters the same in
sswhat if I use ip and netstat?
You would have known it better under windows as it would have bacame obsolete or just stopped working every other 6 months, needing your attention 😁
I’ve held out a while but this is just getting ridiculous. I’m taking the leap.
As I use my home machine mainly for gaming, which version is best for me?
If you want a locked down PC you can’t break, and to install all your software using a GUI, choose Bazzite. If you feel comfortable on the terminal, use CachyOS.
I’d say you’re first job is to determine what you don’t want. Google the differences between distros and pick the philosophy you like. Some have corporate backing, some favor stability, some stay cutting edge, some are more community developed, etc.
I started with Bazzite (Fedora) and switched to Garuda (Arch). What got me to each was researching “best gaming Linux” and later deciding I didn’t want immutability.
I mainly just wanted it to work right out of the box, but now that I have it I also love that Arch is always keeping me up to date. There is still a lot of fear mongering about Arch, but Garuda was just as easy as Bazzite, which is recommended for beginners all the time.
I think Garuda is amazing, and recommend it wholeheartedly, but no matter what you choose there will be some learning curve, so pick something that sounds cool to you so you stay motivated to figure it out.
I’m on ZorinOS, which I’m told is very similar to Mint.
It’s similar in that it has an application launcher at the bottom, a windows-like start menu, and aims to be simple.
Zorin has a modern UI where Mint is more windows-7-ish. They don’t have the same file explorer, settings app, app store, generally the core apps are different.
Look they’re quite different, it’s hard to make a full comparison, just run a Mint .iso in gnome-boxes if you’re curious.
Zorin is working out really well for me, esp on my older machines with slower processors and less RAM that choke a little on fuller distros. I enjoy the KDE Plasma distros, for example, but they’re a little too heavy for my older boxes and I was getting a lot of video stutter and unexplained shutdows, etc. I don’t get that with Zorin or Mint. For me Mint works just as well as Zorin and picks up all my hardware just as handily, it just feels a little basic for what I’m used to. But Zorin hits just right in every direction for my needs. It’s a good distro for Windows noobs, that’s for sure.
I still get freezes. Then when I try to power off and power back on, it won’t boot. Then a day or two will go by, and it boots.
Just for clarity, when you say it won’t boot, where in the boot process does it fail? Do you get as far as loading the BIOS, do you get a little way into the OS and then it crashes, or does it just not start at all?
I ask because depending on how far it gets into the boot process, you may not be looking at a software problem at all. Generally speaking, you have to get past the BIOS and into the bootloader before assuming the problem has to do with your choice of OS.
It’s OK, you’re on Lemmy, we all use Linux here so you’re among friends (or bitter enemies if your distro of choice is Ubuntu)
A good low (basically zero) risk way to start is to flash an image of say Ubuntu onto a flash drive. They’re usually bootable. So you can boot into Linux right off the flash drive.
This obvious takes a performance hit compared to actually installing it, but it’ll let you confirm that it actually works on your hardware.
And IIRC you xan choose to just keep it (so install it) right from there.
You can also load it up, and then do wild stuff and install, upgrade things (which will disappear ofc.).
That USB boot is crazy cool if you think about it IMO.
The way I see it, they think GenAI is the new portal to information, the way search has been for the last 25-30 years. They want to control that portal, because it’s worth trillions over time.
This is why they’re cramming it into everything and worrying about use cases later. It’s a land grab.
That kinda makes sense. Thank you for sharing your optics.
I heard that phrase “optics” for the first time in the TV show Succession. Is it something that ordinary people use or just wealthy people?
It’s mainly used by people who work in public relations or robotics
Or politics or really any field where the perception of actions are as, or more, important than reality.
I work as a senior IT Operations kind of job, with a 15 year background in IT support. I was trying to thank him for his perspective without sounding sarcastic ☺️
Edit: perspective might have been more apt.
It has been glorious watching Microsoft do this, they deserve this dead end and much worse honestly.
I mean… I don’t know I guess it gives me hope how incompetent the people at the top of Microsoft truly seem to be?
The modern world is really demonstrating how success has nothing to do with skill or competence.
What do you mean people don’t want machine learning chatbots spewing out bullshit in every facet of their lives and technology use?
We really need to get rid of the “AI” buzzword and refer to machine learning chatbots as what they are.
Parrots with a stolen dictionary.
But they made Google dance, right? Maybe that’s all Satya Nadella needed out of it.
Cant write off something that isnt even in the books…
You are wrong daikiki. AI is a tech that is going to change everything, it’s the “computers” of this era, they are investing in a technology that will boom. Even if you don’t think it will they will push it, see what google is doing, they rigged up the search results and now you necessarily have to use AI to get good answers, it’s also there by default so you can’t really avoid it.
i have a simple question… who the fuck asked for this?
Billionaires, looking for more mass control.
It is not for our benefit.
Shareholders
Funny thing is that is not likely. The shareholders of microsoft (and most blue chip companies) have not really asked for anything other then endless profits lately. This endless drive into shit seems to be almost entirely driven by weird sales pitches and executives chasing a sunk cost.
That’s just a longer way to say, yes, the shareholders asked for it.
Just because they didn’t ask it in letter form or explicitely that doesn’t mean much.
Look, if M$ does this ‘agentic’ move and its shares drop 20% overnight, then, and only THEN, you’d be right to say the shareholders did not ask for it.
Are shareholders punishing or rewarding these moves?
No, no they did not. They just said nothing, and execs took that to mean what ever they want. As is tradition.
You didn’t read my message.
I did, and just think its bullshit. Investors have to invest, where would they put it if not in “safe” companies like microsoft?
Its total shit talk to put words and intent into a group of people and funds. They don’t care, they just have money to park and Microsoft is seen as a safe place with a good return. There has been too much invested in this shit for them to change course, but also no alternative to invest in.
The general idea is that whoever left behind in AI tech will vanish or lose power the next decade. Like Yahoo and other companies during the 2010+. So Google, Meta, Amazon and Microsoft compete now and they don’t care about users. Their focus is enterprise market and the future domination.
Shareholders of Microsoft push AI.
Competitor Shareholders push AI.
Shareholders of hardware push AI.
Enterprise pushes AI.
“Innovation” is part of profit.
Ha, like 5% of the time. Most of the time its cluster fuck after cluster fuck and visits from the good idea fairies.
Not saying there should not be innovation, but innovation for nothing but to be able to say you are doing innovation is a cancer.
Yes, that’s why I wrote “innovation” and not innovation. I’m not sure if there’s something that better communicates the Dr. Evil air quotes.
